[Dft] Re: Herbertia lahue in Comal County
David E. Lemke
dft@csdl.tamu.edu
Thu, 02 May 2002 08:23:22 -0500
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Herbertia lahue is not uncommon in the Hill Country counties of central
Texas. I have several people bring in specimens for ID each spring.
Dave
wilson@mail.bio.tamu.edu wrote:
>Hi Paul - We put together the 'Texas endemics'
>site quite a few years ago as a test for mapping
>systems that were later rolled into our Herbarium
>Specimen Browser at:
>
>http://www.csdl.tamu.edu/FLORA/tracy2/main1.html
>
>Distribution data for the 'endemics' system were
>taken from general descriptions from a manual
>published in 1970. As it turns out, Herbertia
>lahue is not endemic to Texas (distributed to the
>East along the coast) and does not extend deep
>into South Texas (as indicated by the 'endemics'
>mapping). On the other hand, mapping of
>collected specimens by the system referenced
>above shows a single collection record for Comal
>County and this was made in 1850 by Lindheimer.
>So, your record appears to represent a
>significant confirmation and it would be great to
>have a specimen. You could send it to us or the
>UT herbarium in Austin.
>
>We plan, by the way, to revise the 'Texas
>Endemics' site as a part of work underway at
>www.texasflora.org but, given the current funding
>situation, I am not sure if we will be able to do
>this soon.
>
>
>On 2 May 2002 at 0:15, Sorabird@cs.com wrote:
>
>>Dear Dr. Wilson,
>>
>>Hello -- my name is Paul Sunby. I am writing to
>>you to let you know of an observation I had
>>recently of Herbertia lahue in Comal County,
>>Texas. I am sending this to you because I noticed
>>on your website
>>(http://www.csdl.tamu.edu/FLORA/cgi/endemics_map_p
>>age2?gen=Herbertia&spec=lahu
>>
>>e) that this species apparently has not previously
>>been reported from this county and because the
>>plants I saw were on the Edwards Plateau, which
>>may be outside the known range of this species
>>based on the county-by-county distribution
>>depicted on your website.
>>
>>I am a field biologist, specializing in birds, and
>>observed many individuals (200+) of Herbertia
>>lahue on 29 April 2002 on a property west of New
>>Braunfels while conducting a survey for
>>Golden-cheeked Warblers. I confess to only
>>rudimentary knowledge of plants and did not
>>recognize the flower when I first observed it.
>>However, because it was quite striking, and
>>because it did not look familiar (I spend a lot of
>>time in the Hill Country in the spring), I was
>>compelled to identify it. I could not find it in
>>Enquist's book on the flowers of the Texas Hill
>>Country but thought I found it pictured in
>>Avilgsi's book on the flowers of the Big Thicket
>>(although identified there as Alophia drummondii
>>with the common name Herbertia). It was at that
>>point I went to your website to see more pictures
>>of Alophia drummondii, only to find that my flower
>>was in fact Herbertia lahue.
>>
>>As I am not a botantist, I further confess to
>>having no idea whether there are any Edwards
>>Plateau species that could be similar in
>>appearance to Herbertia lahue (I saw on your
>>website that no other members of this genus occur
>>in Texas), but I would say that if there are, they
>>would have to be extremely similar in appearance
>>as the flowers I saw are dead-ringers for those
>>pictured as Herbertia lahue on your website.
>>
>>Again, as I am not a botanist, please forgive me
>>for being unsure of what more to do with this
>>record. I could send you specific locality
>>information (generally, in the Dry Comal Creek
>>watershed about 2 miles west of New Braunfels and
>>about 1.5 miles north of F.M. 482) and I could
>>send you digital photographs for verification (I
>>currently do not have any, but will be returning
>>to the property this Saturday so could easily
>>obtain some).
>>
>>The plants primarily occurred in open, grassy
>>clearings within open to semi-open Ashe
>>juniper/live oak woodland, but I also observed
>>several beneath the canopy of Ashe juniper trees.
>>If you'd like, I could get a bit more specific in
>>the description of the plant communities in which
>>they occur, but likely would not be able to
>>identify many of the herbaceous species occurring
>>in the same areas. I could even collect one or
>>more of the plants and mail them to you.
>>
>>Please feel free to ask for any additional
>>information regarding this observation. If it
>>turns out that my observation is "old news," I
>>would be interested in hearing that too at your
>>convenience. Thank you very much.
>>
>>Sincerely,
>>
>>Paul Sunby
>>Austin
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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Herbertia lahue is not uncommon in the Hill Country counties of central Texas.
I have several people bring in specimens for ID each spring.<br>
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Dave<br>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:wilson@mail.bio.tamu.edu">wilson@mail.bio.tamu.edu</a> wrote:<br>
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<pre wrap="">Hi Paul - We put together the 'Texas endemics' <br>site quite a few years ago as a test for mapping <br>systems that were later rolled into our Herbarium <br>Specimen Browser at:<br><br><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.csdl.tamu.edu/FLORA/tracy2/main1.html">http://www.csdl.tamu.edu/FLORA/tracy2/main1.html</a><br><br>Distribution data for the 'endemics' system were <br>taken from general descriptions from a manual <br>published in 1970. As it turns out, Herbertia<br>lahue is not endemic to Texas (distributed to the <br>East along the coast) and does not extend deep <br>into South Texas (as indicated by the 'endemics' <br>mapping). On the other hand, mapping of <br>collected specimens by the system referenced <br>above shows a single collection record for Comal <br>County and this was made in 1850 by Lindheimer. <br>So, your record appears to represent a <br>significant confirmation and it would be great to <br>have a specimen. You could sen
d it to us or the <br>UT herbarium in Austin.<br><br>We plan, by the way, to revise the 'Texas <br>Endemics' site as a part of work underway at <br><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.texasflora.org">www.texasflora.org</a> but, given the current funding <br>situation, I am not sure if we will be able to do <br>this soon.<br><br><br>On 2 May 2002 at 0:15, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Sorabird@cs.com">Sorabird@cs.com</a> wrote:<br><br></pre>
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<pre wrap="">Dear Dr. Wilson,<br><br>Hello -- my name is Paul Sunby. I am writing to<br>you to let you know of an observation I had<br>recently of Herbertia lahue in Comal County,<br>Texas. I am sending this to you because I noticed<br>on your website<br>(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.csdl.tamu.edu/FLORA/cgi/endemics_map_p">http://www.csdl.tamu.edu/FLORA/cgi/endemics_map_p</a><br>age2?gen=Herbertia&spec=lahu<br><br>e) that this species apparently has not previously<br>been reported from this county and because the<br>plants I saw were on the Edwards Plateau, which<br>may be outside the known range of this species<br>based on the county-by-county distribution<br>depicted on your website.<br><br>I am a field biologist, specializing in birds, and<br>observed many individuals (200+) of Herbertia<br>lahue on 29 April 2002 on a property west of New<br>Braunfels while conducting a survey for<br>Golden-cheeked Warblers. I confess to only<br>rudimentary
knowledge of plants and did not<br>recognize the flower when I first observed it. <br>However, because it was quite striking, and<br>because it did not look familiar (I spend a lot of<br>time in the Hill Country in the spring), I was<br>compelled to identify it. I could not find it in<br>Enquist's book on the flowers of the Texas Hill<br>Country but thought I found it pictured in<br>Avilgsi's book on the flowers of the Big Thicket<br>(although identified there as Alophia drummondii<br>with the common name Herbertia). It was at that<br>point I went to your website to see more pictures<br>of Alophia drummondii, only to find that my flower<br>was in fact Herbertia lahue. <br><br>As I am not a botantist, I further confess to<br>having no idea whether there are any Edwards<br>Plateau species that could be similar in<br>appearance to Herbertia lahue (I saw on your<br>website that no other members of this genus occur<br>in Texas), but I would say that if there are, they<br>would
have to be extremely similar in appearance<br>as the flowers I saw are dead-ringers for those<br>pictured as Herbertia lahue on your website.<br><br>Again, as I am not a botanist, please forgive me<br>for being unsure of what more to do with this<br>record. I could send you specific locality<br>information (generally, in the Dry Comal Creek<br>watershed about 2 miles west of New Braunfels and<br>about 1.5 miles north of F.M. 482) and I could<br>send you digital photographs for verification (I<br>currently do not have any, but will be returning<br>to the property this Saturday so could easily<br>obtain some).<br><br>The plants primarily occurred in open, grassy<br>clearings within open to semi-open Ashe<br>juniper/live oak woodland, but I also observed<br>several beneath the canopy of Ashe juniper trees. <br>If you'd like, I could get a bit more specific in<br>the description of the plant communities in which<br>they occur, but likely would not be able to<br>identify many of
the herbaceous species occurring<br>in the same areas. I could even collect one or<br>more of the plants and mail them to you. <br><br>Please feel free to ask for any additional<br>information regarding this observation. If it<br>turns out that my observation is "old news," I<br>would be interested in hearing that too at your<br>convenience. Thank you very much.<br><br>Sincerely,<br><br>Paul Sunby<br>Austin<br><br><br><br><br><br></pre>
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